Uncovering the Rich History and Luxuries of the Greenbrier Resort: From Healing Springs to Cold War Bunkers

Join us as we uncover the intriguing history and luxurious offerings of West Virginia's premier destination, the Greenbrier Resort, with special guest Cam Huffman, the Director of Public Relations. Prepare to be amazed by the resort's rich history, dating back to 1778, when the healing properties of the White Sulphur Springs first attracted visitors, leading to the development of the now 11,000-acre property. From golf and spa treatments to the mysterious Cold War-era bunker tour, there's something for everyone at this iconic destination.

Our exploration with Cam dives into the Greenbrier's connection with legendary golfer Sam Snead and the wide range of accommodations and amenities available for guests of all types. Discover how the resort caters to both casual and formal guests while maintaining its family-friendly atmosphere. As we uncover more about the property, you'll be captivated by its unique offerings, such as the ancient sport of falconry and the hidden-in-plain-sight bunker built to house the US government during a nuclear attack.

To bring this fascinating conversation to a close, we challenge Cam and James to a West Virginia trivia showdown, proving their knowledge of the state. With laughter and friendly competition, this lively debate puts both their trivia skills to the test. Don't miss this opportunity to learn more about the Greenbrier Resort and the wonders it has to offer. So sit back, relax, and join us on this exciting journey through one of West Virginia's hidden gems.

Transcript

James: Welcome in everyone. It's another edition of West Virginia Talk with James and Jerry. 

Jerry: I'm Jerry. 

James: Jerry, today is not technically summer yet, but we're past the Memorial Day weekend and we hope that everyone had a great Memorial Day, as did we. 

Jerry: Yeah, and I'll tell you what. Today is absolutely frying hot. 

James: It's a smoke show up here With the beginning of summer. there's a lot of destinations West Virginia has to offer, and one of them we're going to profile today. Now, if you've never heard of this place, i'm going to jog your memory. I'm sure a couple years ago you heard about a hotel that had a secret underground bunker that was built to house the US government, if we ever went to nuclear war with the Soviet Union. It was built during the Cold War. So if that jogs your memory, the name of the place is the Greenbrier Resort and it's also deemed America's Resort outside White Sox for Springs, down in Greenbrier County, west Virginia. And here to talk with us about the Greenbrier Resort is the Director of Public Relations, cam Huffman. Welcome in to the friendly confines of West Virginia Talk. What's up, cam? 

Cam: Oh, not a whole lot. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it, love what you guys are doing with the podcast. 

James: Thank you. Now you and I go way back. So this whole conversation via the phone and recording and all that stuff, it should be familiar to you, right? 

Cam: It brings back a lot of memories, for sure. 
James: Yep. So just to give you a little back story on Cam and I, i had a show. The extra point it came on post game after the local high school football team was over and we talked about every team in the state and one of our regular callers was Cam Huffman, who at that time was sports editor at the Hampshire Review in Romney. So we're going back 20 years. It's been 20 years ago. 

James: That's hard to believe, for sure I know Now I don't, i don't think you were there at first, but you were definitely there at the end. So it's really neat to talk to you again. It's been a long time. I know that whenever Greenbrier County High School football teams come up to our area, you know you're. You're. In the past, you know you were going to come up and I just I couldn't. I couldn't get there the days you were coming up there. So it's a shame, but it's glad that you're back in Greenbrier County. I mean, you're a native to that county, right? 

Cam: Absolutely grew up in Lewisburg and live most of my life here, besides from I went to school at WVU and then had to have a job in Hampshire County for a few years and then went to South Carolina for a few years, but West Virginia has always been home. Greenbrier County has always been home, so it's definitely been great to be back Awesome. 

James: Okay, so, Cam, you are the director of public relations. What exactly does that job title mean? 

Cam: Well, that's a great question when I'm still trying to figure out myself, because it means something a little different each day. So when I was first hired here, i was hired to sort of handle a lot of the different sporting events. At that time we still had a PGA tour tournament going on and I ran the media center for that and I just handled any media that was coming in for the golfing events and for football. we have the Greenbrier Sports Performance Center where several NFL teams have come and trained that. the Cleveland Browns are actually coming here in a few weeks to do that. So I handled some media for that as well and a tennis event that we had. 

Cam: So it was mainly for sports focus because that's my background, but then it kind of grew into that. I learned a lot about the Greenbrier and learned to appreciate the history and the design and everything about the Greenbrier. So I just sort of handle any public relations, I write the press releases, I'm responsible for all the verbiage on the website, verbiage, social media, wise handle some of the social media accounts. So just a little bit of something different each day, but it's always entertaining and always a lot of fun. 

James: Okay, so you mentioned the history of the Greenbrier. When does this start? When does the story of the Greenbrier Resort begin? 

Cam: Well, it really began in 1778, which was when there's the first documented record of somebody coming to this area to take the waters. and what that means is the, the spring waters that run through the property. that's where White Sulphur Springs got its name as the white residue that the water left on the rocks from the spring water and people believed that it had healing properties. So they came back in 1778 to soak in the water, to drink the water as a cure for rheumatism or different ailments that they had, and out of that kind of kind of grew the Greenbrier. So more and more people the first visitors came and kind of found success from doing that and and improved their health from soaking in those waters. So the word got out about that and more and more people came and Then people just started to really enjoy the mountains and enjoy the area. They came during a summertime to sort of escape the heat, get a little bit elevation in the shade here and then kind of enjoy summertime. 

Cam: A lot of southerners would come up this way and it just became a place for social gatherings and there was kind of the tent communities that kind of set up around the spring house. Then they built some of the cottages around the spring house, which was a, which are some of those still stand today. And then during the 1800s, they built the first hotel, which was the Grand Central Hotel, better known as the Old White. And the Old White was a summer only resort in a 1913. The current Green Bar was built to be a year-round resort, so it's kind of grown over the years, but it's for almost 250 years it's been a destination that people have wanted to travel to. Can you? 

Jerry: Tell us a little bit about the resort itself today, as far as the size and capacity that you all have. 

Cam: Yeah, it's giant. 

Cam: It's 11,000 acres overall on the property. We have somewhere around 700 rooms, and that includes regular guest rooms, suites, cottages, estate homes. We have over 55 indoor and outdoor activities that they go on all the time. Obviously, it's well known for golf. We have three different golf courses here on property and then the private golf course for the Greenbrier Sporting Club, our members club across the street. We hosted PGA Tour Tour tournament for 10 years. We've hosted the Solheim Cup and the Ryder Cup, so we're going to host live golf in August. 

Cam: So, it's well known for golf. And it's well known for the spa as well, and those same waters that I talked about just a minute moment ago, the spring waters from the white sulphur springs they're still used today in the spa. So those same healing waters that originally drove people here are used in treatments in our spa today, so it's well known for that. We have a casino now that we've had for the last 15 years or so, so there's a little bit of everything here. It really is a fantastic place to get away and its family friendly. So, no matter what you're looking for in a vacation, you'll find it here at the Green Bar. 

James: If I'm thinking right, I think Sam Snead's favorite golf resort was the Greenbrier. Is that right? 

Cam: Yeah, so Sam Snead was actually his first job as a golf pro was here at the Greenbrier. Right kind of his career began to take off. He started here as a golf pro, and he spent almost all of his career working with the Greenbrier in some capacity. There was a short period of about 15 years where he stepped away, had some I guess some conflicts with some of the management at the time. But he came back later in his career in the 90s and was here up until his death. So, Sam Snead is well remembered here, and we have two restaurants on property down at the golf clubs named in his honor Sam Snead and Sam and Sammy's and it's filled. They're both filled with memorabilia from his career. So, it's a great place to come and learn more about him and enjoy a fantastic meal at the same time. And really the entire clubhouse is still with pictures of Snead during his career and some of the other legends that have played the courses. So, he still has a presence here for sure. 

James: I was laughing when you said he stepped away for 15 years because of you know misunderstanding or he didn't agree with management. I'm just picturing what he's saying. Hey, I'm Sam Snead. you can't treat me like this Kind of like Patrick Ewing. 

Cam: Exactly for sure. And I think that there came a point that some new management came in and they said what are we doing here? We've got to get Sam back. Actually, Robert Harris, who just retired about a year and a half ago as our vice president of golf, when he first came to the Greenbrier, that was his number one responsibility was bringing Sam Snead back And he did that and he finished out his career happily at the Greenbrier And I think a lot of you if you grew up, like I did, watching the Masters when I was younger, Sam Snead was usually one of the honorary starters and he always had that Greenbrier sweater on, so always felt pride in that, as a Greenbrier County native, to see that at the Masters. 

James: Awesome. So, you mentioned how many rooms there are in the Greenbrier and it is a very posh place to go. Can normal folks afford to stay at the Greenbrier? 

Cam: Yeah, absolutely. There are different rates at different times of the year. If you come during the wintertime, especially on weekdays, the rates are a little lower and there's still. We try to do the best of both worlds. There's a lot of long-time guests that have been coming here for a while and they want to go have dinner in the main dining room and dress up in a suit and eat and dress and really enjoy their evening in high fashion, as has been done here for centuries, really. But we also realized that there's other guests that want to experience the Greenbrier and everything there is to offer without that. So, we have some restaurants on property Drapers Cafe And, as I said, like Sam and Sammy's and Sam Snead's, where the dress code isn't quite as strict, so you can come and feel a little more comfortable and enjoy it. And so, it's really. I think we try to make it the best of both worlds. 

Cam: And growing up in Greenbrier County, I had always heard about the war of the Greenbrier. But the first time I ever came I was kind of nervous the whole time that I was going to do or say something wrong or wear something wrong. But it's really not that feeling at all. It's a comfortable feeling. We welcome everybody And I think, no matter who you are, you can enjoy some time at the Greenbrier and we do allow a day guest as well. So, people listening around the state of West Virginia just want to come for the day and maybe enjoy some of our fantastic restaurants, maybe enjoy some of the activities. We welcome them to come and do that or just explore the property. Come take a bunker tour, come just walk around and see what all the Greenbrier has to offer. 

James: We'll get to the bunker, probably near the end of this, but I've told people that have never even heard of the Greenbrier. I've compared it to a luxury cruise liner where you have several restaurants, from counter service to you need a jacket all these different activities and different types of rooms. It's like a cruise ship that doesn't go anywhere. And Cam, you know me, you know I can afford the state, the Greenbrier, and I'm really eyeballing the presidential suite. Tell me how big it is. How big is this presidential suite and how much does it cost? 

Cam: Well, it really kind of depends. There are different, different rates, kind of like the rest of the hotel where you can get at different times of the year, but it is. It is definitely the most expensive accommodation that we have, but it is huge. You can, you can house, you can get I don't know how many we actually say it holds, but you can get every bit of 20 or 30 people in there and kind of split the cost up. But it's beautiful and it's been a. You know, the Duke and Duchess of Windsor have stayed there, presidents have stayed there, governors have stayed there. So, it's really a special, special place and it's really sort of almost like a house of its own. It has it has its own kitchen, it has its own entry, it has its own backyard, and so it's really like staying at the Greenbrier, but kind of being in a place of your over your own. 

James: So you mentioned governors. West Virginia's billionaire governor, Jim Justice, owns this hotel, right. 

Cam: Yeah, the Justice family hit. They do since 2010,. 

James: I believe it was. How many presidents have stayed there? I'm thinking 20 couple. 

Cam: It's 28 now and some of them there's 28 presidents that have visited. Some of them haven't necessarily stayed. You know more than so. A lot of the more recent presidents just come down for a day visit because it is so convenient to get back to DC from here. About playing, and you know the logistics that come with having a president stay overnight in a place like this are kind of complicated these days, but there was, you know, several that came even before the Civil War. So, the presidential history dates back a long way and it still happens today. We haven't seen President  

Cam: Biden here yet, but we did have President Trump here a couple times during his time as president, so it's been a long history of presidents visiting the resort, for sure. 

James: Okay, you also mentioned several restaurants. How many restaurants are actually there? So? 

Cam: This is a number that kind of fluctuates as well, because we say there's 20 restaurants, bars and lounges, because it kind of depends on what you count as a restaurant. We have kind of some grab-and-go places where you can just go get a sandwich and a drink, and if you count that as a restaurant or count some of the bars where you can order food service, we have 20 overall. But when you talk about the main restaurants here in the main hotel we have Prime 44 West, which is named after Jerry West and features some of his favorite dishes. It's a steakhouse. We have the main dining room which has been serving breakfast and dinner since 1913. 

Cam: We have the Forum, which is an Italian restaurant. We have Draper's Cafe, which is sort of a more casual lunch place. It's open for dinner sometimes but mainly lunch and ice cream and that sort of thing. We have Infusion, which is an Asian fusion restaurant inside the Casino Club And then down to Golf Club. we have Sam Sneed's and Slamming Sammy. So, there's really a taste of any kind of taste that you're looking for. 

Cam: We have a restaurant that has that and, as I said, any form, address, any, no matter if you want formal or casual, there's something to offer. 

James: And kids, if you don't know who Jerry West is, not only is he a West Virginia legend and a Lakers legend, he's also the NBA logo. So, there's a little you know, little history for you. 

Cam: Yeah, and I mentioned there when I was talking about Sam Sneeds restaurant, jerry West is sort of the same thing. There are some incredible memorabilia in there and fixers of his career that you really you can't find and see anywhere else. So not only do you go there for an incredible steak and the lobster mashed potatoes that were featured on the show the best thing I ever ate on the Food Network They're Amazing But you can also kind of take a walk-through Jerry West's career too. 

Jerry:  Now, Cam, you mentioned some of the major activities that can be done there. What are some of the more or less known activities If I'm bringing my family down for the weekend that we would be able to participate in? 

Cam: Yeah, that's a great question And I think you know there's. There's sort of the typical ones that you think of at the resort. You know golf, tennis, croquet, those sorts of things. We have a bowling alley inside the resort. There's an arcade inside the bowling alley. We have equestrian so you can go horseback riding, carriage riding, all those kinds of things. We have a climbing tower, an aerial adventure course, bike riding. We have two escape rooms inside the resort. One of them is bunker themed so that they're really neat and popular. They're fairly new in the last three or four years and people really liked them, cam. 

Cam: We have falconry lessons.

James: Oh, I was just going to say that. I was going to say you're leaving one out. It's the most intriguing And Jerry knows this is the one I want to do. It's the falconry. 

Cam: The falconry is amazing and you know, part of my job too is bringing in media to do media visits. They're writing stories or TV shows or whatever on the greenbrier and whenever I mentioned falconry, they'll tell a lot of them. They're kind of turn their heads sideways and maybe say I'm not sure about falconry. But I'll tell you as much. I usually try to make them do it and they absolutely love it. If you don't know about it, it's a kind of an ancient sport of basically hunting for food with birds of prey. There are some amazing falcons over there. There are owls, there's hawks, there's some amazing birds over there. You learn how they're trained and how they respond and how they can be used to hunt and it's really. It's fascinating and amazing and it's really a hands-on experience too where you get to hold some of the birds on your arm. The birds will fly right past your face. It's just really amazing If it was me, it's something I would recommend. 

James: If it was me doing the falconry thing, I'd probably look like George Costanza on Seinfeld when he was holding the squirrel and the hawk, you know, flew at him and he next scene he's got claw marks all over his face. That'd be me, I think. So, absolutely So. It's interesting. You brought up the. It's easy to get to the Greenbrier from DC via the airport outside of Lewisburg, so that was a very important link to DC. And why is that? Because we mentioned the bunker earlier. So how did this bunker come about? How big was this thing and what was its intent? And why did we know about it if it was a secret bunker? 

Cam: Right. So, the bunker came about during the Cold War. Dwight Eisenhower actually had visited the Greenbrier a number of times when he was during World War II, when he was a general. The Greenbrier at that time another thing some people don't know the Greenbrier during World War II was converted into an Army hospital. It was called Ashford General Hospital And it was used throughout the war as an Army hospital. So, Dwight Eisenhower visited during that time, became familiar with the Greenbrier And then during his time as presidency they were working on a plan which was called the Continuity of Government Plan, which was what would happen in the United States in the event of war, in nuclear attack or any kind of attack really on the country. 

Cam: And it wasn't just to protect those people in power, it was to keep government moving forward. I mean, people think about oh, we wanted to protect those people, but really it was more to keep government going. How could government keep operating in that event? So, the Greenbrier was a small portion of that. There were several other facilities that were built. The Greenbrier bunker was built to house the United States Congress, so all of Congress would have come here if it was ever activated and spent time in the bunker. So, it was kept in a state of readiness for 30 years operational. There's a whole staff of people that worked for a company called Forsythe Associates that were undercover. They were known as the TV Repairman around the resort, but really, they were working in this bunker the whole time. 

James: Yeah, really quick, I don't mean to interrupt you. My mother's my mother's first cousin. She was the head of housekeeping there for four decades and she told me that they kind of knew what was going on. But TV Repairman would come into these rooms, even though there was nothing wrong with the television, just to bug the place. Is that right? 

Cam: I have never heard that, but I don't know. There are always new stories that you learn about that to bunker. But you said like they sort of knew about it. There was always. Obviously, when you build a bunker as large as this one was, it was made to house all of Congress, so it had to be huge. They had dormitories in there, they had meeting rooms, they had a room for the Senate, they had a room for the house, so it was a huge facility. So, when you're building something like that, the contractors that are working on it, you see a giant hole. People begin to suspect things, but nobody ever, as far as I've been told most people really had no idea what it truly was, that it was for Congress or where it was, how to get to it, that kind of thing. So, it was basically they tried to. They call it hiding it in plain sight. They put it here and part of it was part of. The bunker was actually always open to the public as an exhibit hall, but people just didn't know they were in a bunker. 

Cam: So, they kind of hid it there and plain sight. 

James: Yeah, that's awesome. Ok, so this thing was built to house a couple thousand people. For how long? 

Cam: I think it was, and I don't want to tell you the wrong information that I believe it was about three weeks that they would have had enough air to survive in there. They felt like after that point that whatever happened, whatever threat was there, should be gone and that the interest should be able to survive outside of the bunker. But it was a fallout shelter. It was not meant to survive a direct strike, which was kind of key to keeping it secret. I mean, it didn't want people to know exactly where it was because it couldn't survive a direct strike. But that's also a reason why it was here, because it was in the mountains of West Virginia, kind of hidden away a little bit, and the technology at the time wasn't what we have now, or they could put a missile on a diet. You had to really have some accuracy to get it where you wanted. So, they felt like the mountains could kind of protect it, even if people did have some idea where it was. So that was one reason that it ended up here in White Sulphur Springs. 

James: OK, so can you take tours of this now? 

Cam: You can. It's one of the most popular activities. So to go back to why you asked earlier, why do we know about it now? it was exposed in 1992 by the Washington Post as a Ted Gump their writer had gotten some information, found out about it and exposed it in 1992. And at that point really it was probably kind of past its prime anyway. The technology had changed, new plans were being made at the time, so it was probably close to time for Fort to be Un operational anyway. But it was exposed at that time and then we began doing tours right away and a lot of people that were here at the time tell me they expected maybe those tours would be popular for three or four years and then they'd have to find another use for it. 

Cam: But it's still today. One of our most popular activities is the Bunker Tours. People come from all over. Actually, I had a call a few minutes before you called me from a guy from India who works for a media publication over there and wanted to come tour the bunker and do a video of it. So, it's incredibly popular and a great tour. People love it. 

Jerry: And what would be the price for people to go and for admission? 

Cam: The tour, I believe, is $40 a person I'm pretty sure that's what it is and that's for adults and then I think you have to be at least 10 years old to take the tour and it's $20 for like 10 to 18. So not too expensive, it's well worth it. It's about a 90-minute tour They give you. You can't take cameras into the bunker because the bunker now a portion of the bunker is actually leased by a company called CSXIP which does data storage, and so they kind of set some of the rules for the bunker So they don't allow cameras. But at the end of the tour, we give you a couple of postcards with pictures of the bunker to take home and a brochure with some information. So, it's a really fantastic tour and learn about a really interesting time in history, for sure. 

James: Well, i tell you, i think we only scratch the surface with all the things that the Greenbrier has to offer, with the bunker and all that stuff. And Jerry told me not long ago that the Greenbrier is the most visited place in the state. Is that right? 

Cam: I would say that probably is true. Yeah, and that's one of the reasons In my job. That's why it sort of makes my job easy Because, as you know, I'm a proud West Virginian, love the state, love everything about it. It really is a every West Virginian I feel like should be extremely proud of the Greenbrier because it really is a showpiece. The people are wonderful here. They kind of the staff here represents those West Virginian values of true hospitality and that kind of thing and the beauty here is just kind of is a sample of the beauty that you find throughout West Virginia And all the activities that there are to do people think of it. As you said, it's just kind of such a posh place but we have off road driving that you can come back covered and head to toe for mud as well. So, it's some of those sports that West Virginians love, the gun club we have across the street. That really represents some of the things that are important to West Virginians and that is a great showpiece for the state. 

Jerry: All right, Cam really quick, because this is probably the most important part of the whole episode here How do people get to the Greenbrier Resort? 

Cam: Well, there's a lot of different ways. That's one of the convenient things about the Greenbrier. We're located right off of Interstate 64 in White Salver Spring. We're about a mile and a half off the exit, so you can get to us from 64 by car. As we mentioned, the Greenbrier Valley Airport is in Lewisburg, just a few minutes down the road, so there's daily flights into Greenbrier Valley Airport from Charlotte each day. So that's another way, and Amtrak right across the street. For years the Greenbrier Resort was owned by CSX, and right across the street there's an Amtrak station that drops you off right across from Main entrance, so you can get there by Amtrak as well. So there are a lot of different ways to get here. Some people fly into Rona, virginia. Some people fly into Charleston And take a shuttle. We have a lot of different ways to get here. Hotel shuttles will bring people from those locations as well as Green Bar Valley, so it's really pretty centrally located and easy to get to from a lot of different places. 

James: And folks, if you're driving I-64 and you're like I don't know where this is, trust me, you're going to see it, you are going to see this place. Just driving that direction, you will get there. 

Cam: It's right before the Virginia line. So, it's right before you cross over into Virginia. You'll hit the White Salt Springs and you'll find the Green Bar. 

Jerry: All right, awesome. Now, before we wrap things up, we decided we're going to try something new. We think it'd be fun for our guests, we think it'd be fun for our listeners. We want to do a little West Virginia trivia. Cam, you up for this? 

Cam: I'm up for it, for sure. 

Jerry: All right, so you'll be facing off against James, aka the Maharishi, as he's known in some circles, or the Great Historian, and we'll see which one of the two of you knows their history better. Maybe you come out in a tie. If it is a tie, at the end I will ask one question, and I'm going to start with our guest. Cam because, as a true West Virginian, we always want our guests to feel welcomed and feel like they're the most important. So, if he gets it right, games over right there.  You won't even get a chance James. 

Jerry: So, all right, James, we're going to ask that you go ahead and step out for a moment. That way you don't have a chance to hear these questions and start coming up with the answers off Google. 

James: All right, guys, we'll be back. 

Jerry: All right, Cam, question number one, which is the highest point in the state of West Virginia. 

Cam: I believe it's Spruce Knob 

Jerry: Correct. Second question which is the longest river in the state of West Virginia? Not bordering, but in?

Cam: I'm going to have to go with the new river. 

Jerry: That would be correct Two for two, all right, all right, right. Third question which is the largest lake in West Virginia? 

Cam: I'm not sure. I know that I'll go with Summersville Lake 

Jerry: Three for three. 

Jerry: Summersville Lake is the correct answer. All right, the fourth question, which is the most famous landmark in West Virginia? Now, i know this one's kind of off the wall because that can be a matter of opinion, but according to what the survey site said, we'll go off of that answer. 

Cam: So Oh, I would love to say the Green Bar, but I guess I'll go with the new River Gorge Bridge. 

Jerry: They're saying it's the Harper's Ferry National Historical Park. Oh, wow, That's interesting. Yeah, That's. I was completely shocked at that as well, but we're going to go with their answer for this. So far you are three of four. And our final question who was West Virginia's first governor? 

Cam: Oh, I should know this one, but I don't. 

Jerry:  All right, so we'll finish three of five, and the answer to that was Francis Pierpont. 

Cam: Okay So all right, i'll remember that forever. 

Jerry: Now We'll go ahead and bring James back in if he hasn't locked himself out And I think he has. There we go Well, but we wanted to make sure you weren't cheating, all right. All right, I'm not going to tell you what you got to get to, because I think that'd be unfair in itself. 

James: Knowing Cam, I'd probably have to get five right to tie, all right. 

Jerry: So, James the Maharishi, your first question, yes, which is the highest point in West Virginia? 

James: Spruce Knob 4, 860 feet. 

Jerry: All right, one for one. Second question Which is the longest river in the state of West Virginia? 

James: Not bordering, but in So what you're saying is the Ohio River is out, right, okay, um Kanawa. 

Jerry: New River. 

James: Oh, I didn't think the new river was that big. 
Okay, i know, the new river is old. 

Jerry: All right. Third question Yes, which is the largest lake in West Virginia?

James: I want to say Bluestone. 

Jerry: Ouch. 

Jerry: No, Summersville, Oh, it's all right but it's all right. 

Jerry: All right, was this your fourth question?

James: Yes, not doing so good, 

Jerry: well, i'm holding on to hope. I explained the same to Cam, and this one here is kind of opinionated, but we're going off of what the site said. Right, okay So which is the most famous landmark in West Virginia. Famous landmark. 

James: Oh, the West Virginia capital. 

Jerry: No, Harper's Ferry National Historical Park. Oh my God, Oh my. Rishi is not looking to my. Rishi today No, no, all right. And your final question All right, are you ready? 

James: Yeah, I got about 400 here. man, Let's do it. Who was? 

Jerry: Who was West Virginia's first governor. 

James: You know, for some reason, I knew you were going to ask me that. I know this. Did you give Cam any hints? 

Jerry: I did not. He shot straight from the hip.

James: Oh man, I don't know. 

Jerry: The answer is Francis Pierpont. 

James: But I knew, i knew it Pierpont Road in Morgantown. I knew that. 

Jerry: So, the winner of the first trivia game is Cam. He's got you three to one. Wow, as a reward, cam, you were congratulated by us, you get a nice round of applause, and you get to go back to work. 

Cam: It's a lot of bragging rights. It's Friday. Do I have to go back to work? Awesome. 

James: Hey, well played. So, we talked to Cam earlier and he said that he was going to try, try, try his best, maybe free up something that we can give away to listeners. So be listening. We don't know yet, but be listening for your chance to win, cam. I tell you what. Man, it was really great talking to you again And I think that you definitely did the Greenbrier Justice today. Hopefully we do that too. I know the Greenbrier doesn't need a whole lot of you know advertising, you know it is what it is. But just to remind you, 37 countries we've been downloaded in 760 cities in 49 states. So once again, we want to thank our special guest, the director of public relations for the Greenbrier, cam Huffman. Thank you so much. We want to thank you; we want to thank our listeners. I'm James, I'm Jerry And you've been listening to West Virginia talk of J and J production.